What is truth? Mack Stiles and Dan Barker with host Andy Kind

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Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Premier Unbelievable! This week, brace yourselves for a captivating dialogue between two individuals with starkly divergent perspectives on Christianity, the existence of God, and the very essence of truth. 

On one side we have Mack Stiles — director of Messenger Ministries Inc, Podcaster and seasoned pastor and author of the intriguing new book, "The Truth About Lies: Why Jesus is More Relevant Than You Think." Sharing the virtual stage and returning to Unbelievable is the outspoken atheist, Dan Barker, who was a Christian pastor for many years before making headlines by announcing on Oprah Winfrey's show that he had "kicked the religion habit". Dan later co-founded the Freedom from Religion Foundation. 

Join our host, Andy Kind, as he navigates this riveting debate, delving into the profound questions surrounding truth, science, morality, the nature of God, and the complexities of the human condition.

For Mack Stiles: follow Mack on X @MackStiles
Mission Talks Podcas: https://www.9marks.org/tag/missions-talk/
Messenger Ministries: https://www.messengerministries.com/about

For Dan Barker: follow Dan on X @danbarker
Freedom from Religion: https://ffrf.org/about/staff-board/item/38960-dan-barker

Related shows
For Dan Barker and Martin Kuhrt discussing whether the God of the Bible is a capriciously malevolent, misogynistic, sadomasochistic bully: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/unbelievable/unbelievable-is-the-god-of-the-bible-a-capriciously-malevolent-misogynistic-sadomasochistic-bully-dan-barker-vs-martin-kuhrt/11653.article

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        • app/Models/PodcastEpisode.php:132
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        • app/Models/PodcastEpisode.php:132
        • view::livewire.section-podcast-player:194
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
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        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:111
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:43
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:112
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:43
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
      • Podcast.php#137premier470μsselect * from `brands` where `brands`.`id` = 2 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null limit 1
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        • app/Models/Podcast.php:137
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        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
        • vendor/livewire/livewire/src/Mechanisms/ExtendBlade/ExtendedCompilerEngine.php:22
      • BrandPage.php#22premier450μsselect * from `brands` where `brands`.`id` = 2 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null limit 1
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        • app/Models/BrandPage.php:22
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:46
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
        • vendor/livewire/livewire/src/Mechanisms/ExtendBlade/ExtendedCompilerEngine.php:22
      • BrandPage.php#22premier430μsselect * from `brands` where `brands`.`id` = 2 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null limit 1
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        • app/Models/BrandPage.php:22
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:46
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
        • vendor/livewire/livewire/src/Mechanisms/ExtendBlade/ExtendedCompilerEngine.php:22
      • ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier740μsselect * from `brand_pages` where `brand_pages`.`brand_id` = 2 and `brand_pages`.`brand_id` is not null and ((not exists (select * from `brands` where `brand_pages`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null)) or (exists (select * from `brands` where `brand_pages`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `is_active` = 1 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null))) and `is_active` = 1 and `brand_pages`.`deleted_at` is null
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:109
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:52
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
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      • ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier690μsselect * from `audio_series` where `audio_series`.`brand_id` = 2 and `audio_series`.`brand_id` is not null and ((not exists (select * from `brands` where `audio_series`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null)) or (exists (select * from `brands` where `audio_series`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `is_active` = 1 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null))) and `is_active` = 1 and `audio_series`.`deleted_at` is null
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:110
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:52
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
      • ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier710μsselect * from `article_series` where `article_series`.`brand_id` = 2 and `article_series`.`brand_id` is not null and ((not exists (select * from `brands` where `article_series`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null)) or (exists (select * from `brands` where `article_series`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `is_active` = 1 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null))) and `is_active` = 1 and `article_series`.`deleted_at` is null
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:111
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:52
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:112
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:52
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
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      • Setting.php#20premier400μsselect * from `settings` where `setting_key` = 'web_donation_link' limit 1
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        • app/Models/Setting.php:20
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        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
        • vendor/livewire/livewire/src/Mechanisms/ExtendBlade/ExtendedCompilerEngine.php:22
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