Unbelievable? 8 Aug 2009 - Hell - two different views debated

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What do Christians believe about the immortality of the soul and the justification for punishment? Has hell been lost as a doctrine in the modern church?
In their second inter-Christian encounter James White and Roger and Faith Forster explain their different view of hell. James White holds to an "eternal conscious torment" view - that those in hell are punished for all eternity. Roger and Faith Forster believe in "conditional immortality" - that only those in Christ are granted eternal life and those who go to hell cease to exist.
For James White see www.aomin.org
For Roger and Faith see www.ichthus.org.uk
For more faith debates visit www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable or via podcast or via itunes
If you enjoyed this programme you may wish to listen to
Unbelievable? 15 Mar 2008 Christian Universalism - Will everyone be saved?
Unbelievable? 1 Dec 2007 - Salvation: Grace or Works? A Jew & Christian compare approaches
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