Unbelievable? 20 Jun 2009 Before Nicea - what is the truth about Early Christianity?

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What did the first Christians believe about Jesus? Muslim Abdul Haq, the author of "Before Nicea" claims that key doctrines of Christianity were formulated through later councils of the church. He says that there is no good evidence that early Christians believed in Jesus' divinity or even his crucifixion.
Evangelical Christian scholar Anthony McRoy counters Haq's claims, insisting that the key doctrines of Christianity were well established in the early church and are implicit in Scripture.
For Anthony McRoy www.west.org.uk
For "Before Nicea" by Abdul Haq click here
For more Christian/Non-Christian debates visit www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable or get the podcast
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ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier770μs

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ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier730μs

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ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier640μs

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ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier740μs

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