Unbelievable? 1 Aug 2009 - Calvinism & predestination

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The first of two programmes focussing on inter-Christian debates over doctrine.
500 years ago the birth of John Calvin heralded the arrival of one who would have a momentous impact on the shape of world Christianity.
Calvinism is most often defined by its belief in predestination.  Calvinist James White of Alpha and Omega ministries explains why he believes Calvin was right when he claimed that God's will alone controls the eternal destiny of humans.  Roger and Faith Forster of the Ichthus Christian fellowship defend an Arminian view - that human freewill is part of God's grace when it comes to human salvation.
For James White see www.aomin.org
For Roger and Faith see www.ichthus.org.uk
For more Faith debates visit www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable or via podcast or via itunes
If you enjoyed this programme you may wish to listen to
Unbelievable? 15 Nov 2008 Does the Trinity lead to polytheism? James White of Alpha & Omega ministries debates Abdullah Al Andalusi
Unbelievable? 22 Mar 2008 Easter & the Atonement - does it make sense? Roger Forster debates humanist Marilyn Mason
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      • ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier1.19msselect * from `audio_series` where `audio_series`.`brand_id` = 2 and `audio_series`.`brand_id` is not null and ((not exists (select * from `brands` where `audio_series`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null)) or (exists (select * from `brands` where `audio_series`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `is_active` = 1 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null))) and `is_active` = 1 and `audio_series`.`deleted_at` is null
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
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        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:43
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:111
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:43
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
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      • ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier680μsselect * from `podcasts` where `podcasts`.`brand_id` = 2 and `podcasts`.`brand_id` is not null and ((not exists (select * from `brands` where `podcasts`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null)) or (exists (select * from `brands` where `podcasts`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `is_active` = 1 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null))) and `is_active` = 1 and `podcasts`.`deleted_at` is null
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:112
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:43
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
      • Podcast.php#137premier470μsselect * from `brands` where `brands`.`id` = 2 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null limit 1
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        • app/Models/Podcast.php:137
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        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
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        • app/Models/BrandPage.php:22
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:46
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
        • vendor/livewire/livewire/src/Mechanisms/ExtendBlade/ExtendedCompilerEngine.php:22
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        • app/Models/BrandPage.php:22
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:46
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
        • vendor/livewire/livewire/src/Mechanisms/ExtendBlade/ExtendedCompilerEngine.php:22
      • ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier870μsselect * from `brand_pages` where `brand_pages`.`brand_id` = 2 and `brand_pages`.`brand_id` is not null and ((not exists (select * from `brands` where `brand_pages`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null)) or (exists (select * from `brands` where `brand_pages`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `is_active` = 1 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null))) and `is_active` = 1 and `brand_pages`.`deleted_at` is null
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:109
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:52
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
      • ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier720μsselect * from `audio_series` where `audio_series`.`brand_id` = 2 and `audio_series`.`brand_id` is not null and ((not exists (select * from `brands` where `audio_series`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null)) or (exists (select * from `brands` where `audio_series`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `is_active` = 1 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null))) and `is_active` = 1 and `audio_series`.`deleted_at` is null
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:110
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:52
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
      • ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier680μsselect * from `article_series` where `article_series`.`brand_id` = 2 and `article_series`.`brand_id` is not null and ((not exists (select * from `brands` where `article_series`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null)) or (exists (select * from `brands` where `article_series`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `is_active` = 1 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null))) and `is_active` = 1 and `article_series`.`deleted_at` is null
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:111
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:52
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:112
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:52
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:124
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      • Setting.php#20premier480μsselect * from `settings` where `setting_key` = 'web_donation_link' limit 1
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        • app/Models/Setting.php:20
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        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
        • vendor/livewire/livewire/src/Mechanisms/ExtendBlade/ExtendedCompilerEngine.php:22
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