Calvinism pt 2 - Does Romans 9 support predestination? James White vs John Cranman

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Romans 9 is one of the key texts used by Calvinists to support the doctrine of individual election - that God predestines people for salvation or damnation. However, John Cranman believes Calvinists are misreading Paul’s words and meaning.
He engages with Calvinist thinker James White as they debate whether Romans 9 refers to individual salvation or God’s prerogative to choose categories of people to be his own.
For Unbelievable? the Conference 2019: http://www.premierchristianradio.com/unbelievableconference 
For James White: https://www.aomin.org/ 
For the article that convinced John Cranman: https://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/romans-9-in-context/ 
Get signed copies of Unbelievable? the book and audiobook: https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Unbelievable-the-Book 
For more faith debates visit http://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable
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Released on 17 May 2019

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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
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        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:29
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:110
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
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        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:29
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:110
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        • app/Models/Podcast.php:137
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        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
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      • BrandPage.php#22premier380μsselect * from `brands` where `brands`.`id` = 2 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null limit 1
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        • app/Models/BrandPage.php:22
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:32
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:110
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
        • vendor/livewire/livewire/src/ComponentConcerns/RendersLivewireComponents.php:69
      • BrandPage.php#22premier380μsselect * from `brands` where `brands`.`id` = 2 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null limit 1
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        • app/Models/BrandPage.php:22
        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:32
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:110
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/View/Engines/PhpEngine.php:58
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      • ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier630μsselect * from `brand_pages` where `brand_pages`.`brand_id` = 2 and `brand_pages`.`brand_id` is not null and ((not exists (select * from `brands` where `brand_pages`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null)) or (exists (select * from `brands` where `brand_pages`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `is_active` = 1 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null))) and `is_active` = 1 and `brand_pages`.`deleted_at` is null
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
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        • view::components.sections.sub-menu-brand:38
        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:110
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        • app/Models/Traits/ContentFamilyTrait.php:18
        • app/Models/Brand.php:105
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        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:110
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        • vendor/laravel/framework/src/Illuminate/Filesystem/Filesystem.php:110
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      • Setting.php#20premier340μsselect * from `settings` where `setting_key` = 'web_donation_link' limit 1
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        • app/Models/Setting.php:20
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