#73 Peter Byrom: Dawkins' argument from complexity

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In the final part of their discussion, Peter Byrom delves into Dawkins' argument from complexity, suggesting it may be a circular assumption. They unpack Dawkins' fascinating exchange with Francis Collins in 2022, where Dawkins admits he may have a presupposition towards materialism. Plus, what does the future hold?

For more on some of these arguments, see Unbelievable? Is there a new New Atheism? https://www.premierunbelievable.com/unbelievable/unbelievable-coming-to-faith-through-dawkins-part-2-is-there-a-new-new-atheism-alister-mcgrath-and-alex-oconnor/16306.article

For Coming to Faith Through Dawkins: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Coming-Faith-Through-Dawkins-Christianity/dp/0825448220

• William Lane Craig's response to The God Delusion, Oxford 2011: https://youtu.be/fP9CwDTRoOE?si=0QORpANPSZob4e-m
• "The Case for Christian Theism" documentary about William Lane Craig's 2011 UK Tour:
https://youtu.be/vCa9WQBrARc?si=qHNW7PuV_9p7Nmiq
• Dawkins, Kenny, and Williams dialogue, 2012:
https://youtu.be/bow4nnh1Wv0?si=e4GWeSWXEtsnDR1P
• Dawkins and Collins Big Conversation, 2022:
https://youtu.be/SQ3EU58AzFs?si=jgDeI6IR-ybJfVHx
• Dawkins and Swinburne in The Mystery of Existence discussion, 2023:
https://youtu.be/-IAFxIrcWoU?si=JqEnmVmXDZjODcIS
• Dawkins and Boghossian discussion, 2023: https://youtu.be/3MfBLPuwwdo?si=evRSNui7bf3O_SwW
• Nate Sala's commentary on Dawkins and Boghossian discussion, 2023: https://youtu.be/mv9BaEAwW1k?si=L7b6ZoBsM1w5yxwc

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ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier640μs

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ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier790μs

select * from `podcasts` where `podcasts`.`brand_id` = 86 and `podcasts`.`brand_id` is not null and ((not exists (select * from `brands` where `podcasts`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null)) or (exists (select * from `brands` where `podcasts`.`brand_id` = `brands`.`id` and `is_active` = 1 and `brands`.`deleted_at` is null))) and `is_active` = 1 and `podcasts`.`deleted_at` is null

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ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier720μs

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ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier720μs

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ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier730μs

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ContentFamilyTrait.php#18premier740μs

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#73 Peter Byrom: Dawkins' argument from complexity

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